This is a conversation between John Githongo, one of Kenya’s leading anti-graft campaigners and former anti-corruption czar and publisher of online platform, The Elephant, and Professor Karuti Kanyinga.

Professor Kanyinga is the Director of the world’s oldest Institute for Development Studies (IDS) at the University of Nairobi and one of Kenya’s leading political scientists and public intellectuals.

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